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 Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: what exactly is a pineapple knot? (IMHO) |
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  ...from a question asked in ~ Pineapple Knots ~:
| Quote: | | What are we calling a pineapple knot - Sidney Wood |
hello Sidney...
...here is what i think.....sort of  :
Pineapple Knot: ...any interwoven turk's head(s!) knot - "...with "certain exceptions"?!"
~...there are hundreds/(thousands!) of these knots 
Pineapple Knot Interweave: ...a knot that isn't a real pineapple
knot but looks like a pineapple knot...(Pineapple Knot Interweave
also means the actual weave in a real pineapple knot!...(..all braiders
know this!)) 
Close Cousin of a Pineapple Knot: ...dozens of these!!...almost
a pineapple knot but just "not quite"!!... 
Heel Knot: ...any knot (mostly pineapple knots!) that will work as
the "heel" of a bosal...
Pineapple Knot "types": ...i know of:
""type 1" pineapple knots" 
""type 2" pineapple knots" 
""type 3" pineapple knots" 
""type 4" pineapple knots" 
...and pineapple knots made from:
"narrow" turk's head knots 
"square" turk's head knots
"long" turk's head knots 
...i know only a little bit about: (from: Introduction to Turk's-Head Knots)
"both row-coded and column coded" knots
"neither row-coded nor column-coded" knots
"row-coded" knots 
"column-coded" knots
...and weave patterns: (from: Introduction to Turk's-Head Knots)
Casa
Checkered
Herringbone
Gaucho
Headhunter's
Ring
Fan
...i know just a little bit about
"o-u-o-u-o-u" diagrams
o-u-o-u-o-u-o-u
...and very little about
algorithm diagrams
1 2 3 0 1 2
\ / \ / \ /
21 03 21
...i would call the top knot a "type 3 - 4 pass "pineapple knot" (from a 7x6 turk's head knot)"- twisty braid - footrope knot with "pineapple knot interweave"...(the footrope knot with "pineapple knot interweave" might be considered a "close cousin of a pineapple knot")...
...i would call the top knot a "type 1 - 3 pass "pineapple knot" (from a 7x6 turk's head knot)"...i would call the bottom knot a "type 3 - 4 pass "pineapple knot" (from a 7x6 turk's head knot)"... 
...i would call this knot a "type 1 - 3 pass "pineapple knot" (from a 7x6 turk's head knot)"... 
...here is the website for all of the above Heel Knots:
~ Pineapple Knots ~
http://www.knotical-arts.com/granthall.html
...Dan-Alaska
| Quote: | If we are willing to use Tom Hall's definition of a pineapple knot in the general sense that it is a cylindrical braid of two ore more passes with the bight boundaries nested, I have found that any two odd part simple turksheads that differ by two parts and neither violates the common divisor rule can be interwoven by a technique similar to raising turksheads by two parts and bights. This is a matter of laying a parallel pair and splitting it. As soon as I figure out how to post graphics to this board I will try to explain this, (as soon as I get the neighbors cows back home and the fence put back up)
Sidney Wood |
hello Sidney...
....the definitions in the books by Tom Hall, Bruce Grant, Robert Woolery and Gail Hought. etc..are sometimes a little vague ...especially for someone new to these types of knots!!...(~ !...every word i wrote in bold could probably use an "official description")...but either it's a pineapple knot or it's not??!...maybe we can figure some of this stuff out?!....maybe we need a committee to figure these things out??!
....i made a new topic for you to put a photo in......((it might be best to put in just one or two photos with a link to your main photo album??!....etc..))
...i'll put in the first photo and the link to the Knotical Photo Albums site....
go to: ~ Pineapple Knot Photos ~
Dan-Alaska
~ Beautiful Pineapple Knots! ~
...these knots are by Frans Masurel - Netherlands
...you can clearly see the different types and
variations...different row/column codings...narrow,
square and long...weave patterns....there
are dozens/hundreds of different pineapple knots!!....and
not much information to find anywhere about most of them!...
...lots of work to do!... 
...Dan-Alaska
...are the "Odilia Knot" and the "Lida Knot" pineapple
knots...or just close cousins to a pineapple knot
[knots by Pieter van de Griend - Netherlands]
...Dan-Alaska
...is the "Margaret Knot" a pineapple
knot...or just close cousin to a pineapple knot
[knot by Pieter van de Griend - Netherlands]
...Dan-Alaska
| Quote: | After looking at all the pictures I have concluded that
these knots are all permutations of the herringbone coding. There are some interesting views of herringbones in the two latest Ron Edwards books. Advancd leather work vols 1 & 2. If you would like to see how I do them go to taylortel.net/~stwood . (Iknow that is an ugly url but it's free and easy to use.
Sidney Wood |
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