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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:54 am  Reply with quote
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I'm trying to figure out how to tie a headhunter knot to make as a bracelet.  I'm thinking I would want something like an under 2 over 2 under 2  7x19.  If anyone has information on how to tie this, it would help a lot.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:33 am Reply with quote
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Hi egroeg555 and welcome!

I checked out the Headhunter knot at
http://khww.net/articles.php?article_id=72
which has an O2, U2, O2 run on the last half cycle, so I used that and made a grid for a 7x19 Headhunter knot.

It's #36 in the Grid Maker Catalog at KHWW.
http://khww.net/gridcatalog/grid_catalog_list.php?a=return

Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:57 am Reply with quote
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OK, thanks I did see that first tutorial, but this grid thing is new to me.  I never got around to learning how to use grids.  I see the numbered bights on the grid could help keep track of which bight I am on in the knot, but what is the best way to go about this?  Perhaps there is a tutorial on using grids?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:30 pm Reply with quote
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You can see how this tool (the grid) is used in this tutorial I made for a 16x16 2 pass Type 1 Pineapple Knot.
http://khww.net/articles.php?article_id=145
These may help some, too.
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1352.0
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1894.0
http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/mandtools.html

You'll need to resize the grid to fit your mandrel. It can be wood, pvc or the one I use the most, cardboard. You can copy/paste the Grid into Microsoft Word and resize it there. Let me know if you need help. Once you get the mandrel size sorted, resize the grid to match and tape the grid to the mandrel, use stick pins or small nails at the bights and start tying following the over and under.

Scott wrote:
Hi, for those out there who would like to be able to print the generated thk graphic for later use on a mandrel to follow, here is what I have found works for me. :

Generate the THK on site.
Right click on image to view image.
Right click "Save as".
Save to a knotting directory (folder).
Create word document with name of the THK.
Open document.
Click on Insert at the top then Picture in the drop down menu.
Navigate to the folder with the picture and double click on that file.
Once picture is in the document click on format at top, then picture in small window, find tab for size click and adjust according to desire.
Then copy and paste in the O/U chart.
Print.

This procedure will give you the graphic without the black background so the numbers will show and the ability to size it accordingly.


For a bracelet, you'll want something with a larger diameter than the TP tube.
This link may help you pick the size; see Fairlead's post#9:
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=208.0

The Grid Maker also gives the run lists you'll be making so you can tie this knot w/o the grid if you like. Look towards the bottom of the page.

http://tinyurl.com/29eh43d

The "Half Cycle" buttons, just above the grid, allow you to watch the knot being made.

Good luck and post a pic for us!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:22 pm Reply with quote
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Thanks for the information.  Here is the finished weave on my makeshift mandrel.



Here it is tightened and finished.



I pretty much have 2 final thoughts about this.  I think it needs several more bights to fill it out for the size.  Also, I think it could be too small.  I was aiming for small because I want to give it to an elderly lady so I tightened it around a soda can.  The final knot has an inner circumference of about 7 1/4 inches and I think this is probably just slightly too small.

Anyway, if I have time I'll see if I can figure out this grid maker program and attempt a knot with even more bights.  Although, I'm not sure I follow the rules for determining what numbers of bights work.  Could you indicate what some of the workable bight numbers, higher than 19, are for this knot?

On a side note, I need to come up with a better way to make mandrels for myself.


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mandrels...
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hello egroeg555...
...that is one fine looking knot!...for
custom mandrels you might check with
Don at knottool.com:  donb@donb.com
...he makes some first-rate mandrels!!...

 http://www.knottool.com/

Dan - Alaska


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:54 pm Reply with quote
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Wow, the mandrels on his site do look very nice, but I think that's an investment for a later date.

Regarding the gridmaker, I just saw that I can add bights at the top of the page.  I just need verification of which numbers of bights will work as a one strand knot.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:02 am Reply with quote
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Nice job with the Headhunter!
I take it you didn't have any stick pins, quite ingenious thinking to cut the groves like that!!!

Sidney explains it here in the 4th paragraph:
http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/lesson-1.html
Basically, to tie this with one string the two numbers can not be equal, or have a common divisor. The Grid Maker will tell you if you input the incorrect bights to make it a little larger.

Sidney explains here: Thus the seven part pattern of the two pass knot can have any number of bights that is not seven or a multiple of seven.
http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/about987.html

There's a lot of good info for the GM here:
http://www.khww.net/forum/viewforum.php?forum_id=47

Have you started your Knot notebook? It will help you in the long run being able to go back and know how many feet of line you used, etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:22 am Reply with quote
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Thanks, somehow I thought the rule for workable matches of parts and bights was more complicated.  I was able to tie a 7x24 without a problem.

And no, I haven't started a knot notebook, but I do realize that it would probably be useful.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:22 am Reply with quote
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You're welcome, glad to be of help. So, how did your lady friend like it? I bet she was thrilled!


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